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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptics and

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podcast episode number 590.

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for the second of the second 20. i'm

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just looking at the date here written

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2 2 2 0 or you could write it as 0

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2 0 2 2 0

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2 0. well it's all arbitrary anyway

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richard saunders here with you coming to

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you this week from the

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san francisco bay area on this week's

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show i catch up with my old friend

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celestia ward from

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squaring the strange podcast that's a

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good podcast i do enjoy squaring the

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strange

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celestia will tell us of the live stage

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performance of someone who claims they

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can talk with the dead

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this time in las vegas now las vegas is

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known for its

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wide range of entertainment some

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exceptionally good

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we might think of pen and teller or

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some of the very well-known entertainers

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who appear in las vegas regularly

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who are at the top of their game and of

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course there is the other end of the

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and i think celestia is going to be

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speaking about the other end of the

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spectrum

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also news of a new las vegas skeptical

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group

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following that we read from the skeptic

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the journal from australian skeptics

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from volume 9 number 4 way back in 1989

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when a subscriber at the time went along

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to a mind-body wallet festival or day or

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fair now this was in sydney

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and it was for the benefit at the time

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of the

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sydney college of natural therapies and

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traditional chinese medicine

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under the banner of festival of healing

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you might be very surprised or maybe not

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so surprised

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to hear what was going on in the name of

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the sydney college

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of natural therapies and traditional

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chinese medicine

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and you'll learn how some things have

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simply not changed

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in over 30 years and then to round off

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the show

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maynard is back at skeptic on 2019 with

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yet

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more interviews he talks to some of the

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skeptical award winners mal vickers from

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melbourne who was awarded

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life membership of australian skeptics

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for his services to skepticism

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guy knulch who won the fred thornett for

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the promotion of reason

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also maynard chats to les oates who is a

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supporter of the skeptic zone

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stay tuned at the end of the podcast for

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more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run upstairs

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run upstairs

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raid the fridge and have a nice

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peanut butter and maple syrup sandwich

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don't knock it till you've tried it

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while i do that i hope you enjoy

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and joining me now on the line from

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beautiful las vegas oh i

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like las vegas once a year folks i do

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like to visit las vegas

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it's celestia award from squaring the

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strange hello celestia

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hello richard and i owe you a beer the

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next time you get into town

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unless unless brian dunning has already

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filled your beer capacity for the rest

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of your life

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i think he has you know but still i'll

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i'll take you up on that generous offer

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now folks you also will hear celestia on

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the skeptic zone from time to time

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because she was kind enough to

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do a few voiceovers and of course we

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love to promote squaring the strange how

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is squaring the strange going

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oh we're chugging right along we are on

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episode like 112 is going to be the next

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and uh we have tackled all sorts of

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mothman to i think literary hoaxes is

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there's just an unlimited amount of

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stuff that's kind of strange out there

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that you can

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researching it certainly is as i've

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discovered over many years of doing the

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but i i really like listening to

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squaring the strange it's great to hear

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you pascal and ben

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chatting about all these mysteries and

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uh strange things strange goings on it

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it reminds me of the good old-fashioned

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skepticism that's why i got into this in

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there is an ever queen there is an

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evergreen quality to it

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uh ben always does a lot of the heavy

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lifting and brings a lot of the research

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because of course he's been doing it for

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cabinet full of stuff that we can just

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and pasqual has been sort of on a

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sabbatical for a while but we're hoping

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now i can vouch for what you say about

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ben's filing cabinet i've seen

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ben's filing cabinet oh and live to tell

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the tale

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it's amazing it's extensive and the

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knowledge of that man is truly

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astounding now the reason that we're

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is that it's come to my notice there's

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something called the in here it comes

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sos well it is the newly formed

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and they had a wonderful microbiologist

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his part in the uh back and forth about

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due to some bacteria that was possibly

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found on a meteorite and back and forth

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presentation and then we also had a

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for them over the course of their

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existence excellent now folks we'll link

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very kind if so if any aussies are in

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at a place called uh astronomy ale house

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and kind of doing skeptics in the pub

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oh ooh that sounds good

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book me in please for the next time i'm

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they're always looking for speakers i

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well that's good i'm always looking for

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people to speak out too

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something like that now very interesting

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a uh a figure shrouded in mystery has

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well one of the current crop of uh

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thomas john has with much fanfare uh

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plastered his face on billboards around

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town and he started up a little show at

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that we want to try and chisel out

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because las vegas has a lot of

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questionable types of entertainment but

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i think talking to the dead for money

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um so uh susan gerbic

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very kindly uh got you know some people

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on the lv sos reached out to her and she

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reached out back and talked about thomas

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and she said you know if you guys get

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volunteers we could

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get you guys some tickets and we could

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see what we can gather because it

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him uh so he was grabbing information

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but people were writing in saying they

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uh susan has got a whole database and

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this is something we can actually

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keep working on because he hasn't

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he uh he's listed more shows he's going

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and it's also not hard to get comps to

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his show because it's not

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selling incredibly well i see

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that's very interesting i wouldn't mind

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seeing something like that myself i've

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seen many before of course but it's

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interesting to see how other performers

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if i can use that word go about doing

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now folks what i'm going to do is i'm

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going to read the first few paragraphs

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the report written by somebody who's

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not quite undercover but somebody who is

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las vegas society of skeptics published

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on the 25th

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of january the first mission

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from the lvsos is in the books we made a

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bunch of predictions and watched them

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are we psychic no but we figured out how

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a grief

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vampire operates here is the first of

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many experiences from one of our

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activists thank you for the mentorship

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susan gerbic

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and to the many volunteers that helped

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gather data

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my knight sitting through thomas john

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by the masked skeptic thomas

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john is trying to break into las vegas

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a life-changing experience

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certainly vegas has many shows that rely

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on something that a skeptic

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could call fakery from mentalism and

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hypnosis shows to the

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rows of silicon enhanced breasts draped

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in rhinestones

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but few of these performers are

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convicted felons

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with a history of fraud rebranding

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themselves as having the

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supernatural power to dredge up dead

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loved ones even so i can see

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vegas giving almost anyone even a guy

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like that

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a chance at success on the las vegas

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strip

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you know if the show was good if it had

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a

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people's grief for profit

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and focus on whether thomas john can

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offer

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vegas tourists a great theatrical

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presentation in a word

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no this show is

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terrible it may have been the worst

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production i have ever seen

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in my 30-odd years here in vegas i'm

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sure there were a few folks

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who were impressed because they honestly

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thought

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thomas john was communicating with dead

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spirits

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and maybe there were a few audience

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members who thought that

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puppets were truly alive and puppet up

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they certainly provided a more

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entertaining case for that theory

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more on that later the only truly dead

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thing i witnessed on the night i

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attended was thomas john's stage

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presence

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he had no energy whatsoever squinting

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and clearing his throat

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through the entire show and relying on

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an attractive young hostess

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who flits from here to there finding

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people

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thomas might be connecting with

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and handing out the microphone thomas

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for his part

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stammers and guesses often only getting

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part of a thought

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then abandoning it he might declare that

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he's feeling an

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older female presence in one part of the

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room

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and then say well i'll come back to that

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one audience member lit up when he told

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her he was connecting

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with her father then he simply dropped

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the matter entirely and wandered off to

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the other side of the stage as casually

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as one might swipe

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left he also got noticeably snippy

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with people who didn't agree right away

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with his observations

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i have seen other psychics and one could

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say

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in their defense that at least

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they seemed to care and exuded a feeling

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of empathy

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and comfort as they dealt with those

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wishing

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to connect with loved ones thomas john

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simply came off as

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callous to me like he really had better

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and that's only the first few paragraphs

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of this

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well yes we have we had a number of

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people jump at the chance to

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to sit in on this and and bite the

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bullet so to speak and sit through

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the entire show and i was one of them i

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went and got

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got to see the show and i had seen john

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edward on a previous

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occasion uh but i i didn't think there

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would be any performer that would make

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me appreciate john edward but

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he does not have the warmth that john

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edward had he's he's a bit

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cold in his presentation and and perhaps

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he was a bit off of his game because of

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uh the the uh investigations that susan

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and others have been doing

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uh in fact i think other mediums have

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even started attacking thomas john so

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he's

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and folks listen there's lots more i i

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mean i only just read the first few

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paragraphs but the

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report itself is extensive it's

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insightful

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it's funny uh and it's a little bit um

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what can i say sobering by the end of it

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so i really recommend that everybody

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spend the time go to the website

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in this week's show notes and read the

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full report for yourself

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because whoever it was in there in the

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audience uh they did a very good job i

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think i think you'd agree

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oh well we've got like upwards of about

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70 or 80 people

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who uh are members via the facebook page

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and then we had

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quite a handful of those people showed

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up for a live meeting

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and the problem with putting somebody's

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name right on the

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uh the report is that if it circulates

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like that i think the person who wrote

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it is a little bit worried because

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caesar's palace is a large

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employer in las vegas and they kind of

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have their fingers in everything

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and i think many people are a little

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nervous about uh

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potentially causing a rift with caesar's

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if they perhaps

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work for they might work for one of the

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uh

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many properties you never know so you

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know it's vegas is a small town

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which i think will will work for us when

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it comes to uh

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kind of putting the word out that look

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this this thomas john fella is not

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uh not what he claims to be all right

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that's that's interesting nevertheless

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folks

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again i can't recommend this report

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enough i began to read it and i was

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reading it and reading i'm thinking this

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is a really good report

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it's about the method of the show

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what happened afterwards and and on it

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goes so

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congratulations to your uh mystery

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writer there and before we go celestia

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what projects are you working on well

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i've i've

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never really given up the editing i used

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to be a full-time

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editor and so i have been working on a

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couple of

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editorial projects with some people and

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those are gonna see the

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day eventually

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um but my artwork is also uh full force

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i'm always

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always busy with that and so and then

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i've got the toddler so between all that

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on all fronts i'm kind of running to put

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fires out left and right

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are you burning the candle at both ends

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so no wonder

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you're trying to run around putting out

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fires well look we appreciate the work

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you do

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in uh on squaring the strange very much

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uh good luck with the continued uh

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adventures with the

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the newly formed uh lv sos the las vegas

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the las vegas society of skeptics and if

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anybody checks it out that is a

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fantastic logo i'm sad

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to say that i did not design it they had

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that logo before i even

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met anybody on there but it's a neat

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little rocket ship

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lv sos logo and please

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allow me to thank once more susan gerbic

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who

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uh through a tremendously long drawn out

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thread on facebook messenger with a

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bunch of the lvsos people and myself

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formulated clever and reliable ways to

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get the information that we wanted to

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get on the methods thomas john was using

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and uh and continually update this

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database we have which i believe

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susan is working on a larger project

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talking about what she's learned from

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this one

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it wouldn't surprise me at

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i spent some time with susan running

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around and running around and running

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around it wouldn't surprise me at all

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yes so big shout out to susan gerbic but

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for now

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celestia wood all the way from amazing

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las vegas

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thank you very much all right take care

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richard

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[Music]

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hey fellow skeptics ben radford here

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with celestia ward

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your friendly host of squaring the

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strange a podcast that looks at topics

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ranging from legends panics and cryptids

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to media myths psychology and folklore

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breaking things down and picking things

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apart

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as we skeptics do we bring a few

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different perspectives on things

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celestia for example is a witty

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cartoonist and ben is a brilliant writer

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and long time skeptical investigator

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we don't always agree but we have fun

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trying and we learn new things

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join us for new topics every week or two

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or browse our backlog of evergreen

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episodes

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available on itunes and all your podcast

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feeding troughs

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bye-bye

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once again we dive into the pages of the

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skeptic the journal from australian

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skeptics

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this time all the way back to 1989

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to cover yet another report on one of my

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favorite topics

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now mind body wallet is of course the

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generic term we give to

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or new age festivals healing things

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crystals and psychics and new age

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energies and

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odd gizmos and feel-good stuff

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the standard one in australia is called

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mind-body spirit

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but of course there are hundreds of

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similar things all around the world

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going back

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decades so in 1989

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a subscriber to the skeptic magazine

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murray finch

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went along to the bondi healing festival

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bondi being a beachside suburb in sydney

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and this report can be found in volume 9

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number 4

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summer 1989 of the skeptic magazine

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bondi healing festival subscriber murray

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finch

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looks at the alternative health scene

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[Music]

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the 1989 skeptics conference was a great

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success

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but i felt it was time to balance my

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yin with my yang and experience

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another point of view when the sydney

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college of natural therapies and

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traditional

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chinese medicine conducted a weekend

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festival of healing at the sydney

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beachside

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bondi pavilion on august 26 27 this year

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i took a cosmic plunge to attend

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the pavilion was turned into a new age

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side show alley if you were recovering

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from a dose of the flu or perhaps your

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karma was playing up then this was the

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place to be

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aura readings crystal balancing foot

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reflexology

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homeopathy iridology it was all there

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at one table a woman dangled a

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radionic pendulum over a chart

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as it swayed to and fro it indicated

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which

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flower essence were to be prescribed

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another woman demonstrated electronic

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gadgets that picked up

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vibrations from saliva samples and

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realigned organs it's a sort of gravity

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she said a series of lectures gave us

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a sample of what was being taught at the

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college

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a naturopath diploma takes four years of

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full-time study

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costing over three thousand dollars a

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year despite the fees the college is

573
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having

574
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financial trouble and the festival was

575
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primarily

576
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,880
a fundraiser students at the college are

577
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told that they are being taught

578
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,520
university level science i can only

579
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,280
assume the college is referring to the

580
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,600
university of atlantis

581
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,679
sadly most of the students and the

582
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therapists are women

583
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whose basic science education failed

584
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them

585
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,760
long before university margaret spicer

586
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began the

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lectures with an introduction to natural

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therapies

589
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:02,559
we were told they involved phenomena

590
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,760
known since ancient times but

591
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,840
strangely modern science is having

592
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,520
trouble coping with this

593
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,320
the journal nature did publish proof of

594
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,240
homeopathy but

595
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,320
people have been trying to discredit it

596
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,360
ever since

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but science has its limitations how can

598
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you use the same test on a group of

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people

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because everyone is different margaret

601
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,120
explained

602
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,320
science doesn't matter anyway knowing

603
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,600
is more important we know crystals work

604
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,240
because

605
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,400
everyone knows silicon chips and crystal

606
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,880
radios are amazing powerful things

607
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,200
a modern laboratory may not be able to

608
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,679
find anything in a homeopathic medicine

609
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,640
but anyone who has taken such medicine

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00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,720
knows it works

611
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:51,120
eva starr gave the next lecture which

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00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:51,840
was

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sure what that had to do with health

614
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:59,279
but it sounded good eva told us the

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00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,320
pyramids were

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00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:03,760
really built by the wise ones

617
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:07,279
from atlantis where else who came to

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00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,679
teach

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00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,080
the backward egyptians how to use both

620
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,279
sides of their brain

621
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,880
they taught how the organs in the body

622
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,559
corresponded with the planets

623
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:16,240
and their knowledge is still in the

624
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:17,679
pyramids not

625
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,799
yet ready to be released from pyramid

626
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,679
energy we moved on to crystal energy

627
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,919
clifton harrison presented

628
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,799
crystal healing a practical approach we

629
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:30,880
started in a very practical way

630
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,679
with a crystal massage this was done by

631
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,880
rubbing a crystal in

632
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,880
small circular motions over your

633
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,480
partner's back

634
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:41,520
when it was time to swap clifton had to

635
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,279
cleanse the crystal with a spray bottle

636
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,600
containing a mixture of essential oils

637
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,159
and flour essence

638
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,039
this removed the bad vibes so they were

639
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,200
not passed on to the next person

640
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,919
clifton was a hands-on therapist he did

641
00:25:02,789 --> 00:24:59,200
not want to dwell on

642
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,799
crystal theory but he did say crystals

643
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,320
work through electricity

644
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:07,200
picking it up from our aura transforming

645
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:07,440
it

646
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,360
this as

647
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,080
an electrical loop between us and the

648
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,440
rock

649
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:19,120
a body layout was performed someone laid

650
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:19,520
down

651
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,400
and had obsidian which clifton described

652
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,600
as a

653
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:26,400
very scorpionic rock placed above their

654
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,960
liver

655
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:30,000
to draw out the bitterness and above

656
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,400
their

657
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:34,000
spleen to draw out the anger after 10 to

658
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,039
15 minutes

659
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,559
the rock was removed but a hole had been

660
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:39,919
left behind

661
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,919
pink quartz was then placed on the

662
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,679
patient to fill the hole

663
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:47,039
with love there is so much power in good

664
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:47,760
rocks

665
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,600
clifton said shirley darby a former

666
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,400
interior

667
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:55,360
decorator who also does astrology and

668
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:56,080
numerology

669
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,080
charts gave a talk on color psychology

670
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,240
shirley informed us that color is a

671
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,440
nutrient

672
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,240
and if we look into the sky we can

673
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,679
sometimes see

674
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,400
molecules of color floating around of

675
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,080
course there are also

676
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,240
higher levels of color but only

677
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,159
clairvoyant people can see them

678
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:18,799
one may think it was time for the men in

679
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,200
white

680
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,159
coats to arrive but shirley told us it

681
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,159
was just these sorts of people

682
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,840
who are prone to madness white absorbs

683
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:28,960
everything

684
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,320
and offers no protection from good or

685
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,200
bad energy dentists we were told have

686
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,200
the highest suicide and heart attack

687
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,799
rate of any profession

688
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,360
because they are constantly absorbing

689
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,279
their patients negative energy

690
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,520
right through the solar plexus which is

691
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,640
the chakra

692
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,120
energy center such problems can be

693
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:51,039
avoided by wearing something under the

694
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,000
coat to act

695
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,279
as a barrier i can't recall my dentist

696
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,440
being naked except for a white

697
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:00,640
coat so he must have got the message if

698
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,279
all else

699
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,559
fails you can wrap colored cellophane

700
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,159
around a bottle of water

701
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,480
leave it in the sun for a while and then

702
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,960
drink it to absorb the color energy

703
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:12,320
different colors having different

704
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,790
effects

705
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,200
[Music]

706
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,120
there are many who will laugh this off

707
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,720
as harmless nonsense

708
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,399
however the dangerous side of

709
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:22,960
alternative medicine

710
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,159
was about to be exposed peter to manilow

711
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,919
a practicing homeopath

712
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,080
illustrated this when he gave a lecture

713
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,760
on homeopathy

714
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,200
samuel henneman the founder of

715
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,679
homeopathy was made to sound like a

716
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,880
messiah

717
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,200
it is only now the world is catching up

718
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,039
with him according to peter

719
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:43,600
we are on the verge of a revolution he

720
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,399
exclaimed

721
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,320
there is a consciousness change away

722
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,200
from tablets peter was a true believer

723
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:52,320
he had no doubt many experiments have

724
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,279
been done

725
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,840
there is no need to repeat them it's

726
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:58,000
just that the scientific community has

727
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,480
trouble

728
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,840
getting their minds around them he

729
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,559
lamented we were told

730
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,559
hannemann discovered e equals m c

731
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,080
squared 150 years before einstein

732
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,360
when homeopathic substances are diluted

733
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,799
one in 100 30 times over

734
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,440
they are shaken each time and this

735
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,600
transforms the matter into energy

736
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,080
even if not one molecule of the medicine

737
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,720
is present in the final delusion

738
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:27,360
it is still potent enough because the

739
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,750
peter recommended homeopathic

740
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,520
immunization for children

741
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,760
and those traveling abroad the full

742
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,679
range of childhood diseases can be

743
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,960
catered for

744
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:46,399
homeopathically polio tetanus

745
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,760
diphtheria he does them all

746
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:52,640
when going overseas peter can treat you

747
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,120
against

748
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,480
typhoid cholera and anything else you

749
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,200
care to mention the homeopathic energy

750
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,720
will be enough to send

751
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,840
these diseases running if you ever get

752
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,080
knocked down by a bus

753
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,120
make sure you have your homeopathic

754
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:12,000
first aid kit it consists of a brown

755
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,120
paper bag

756
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,039
containing five small bottles of

757
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,399
powdered herbs

758
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:18,159
and peta was selling them for five

759
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,520
dollars each

760
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,039
the accompanying instructions

761
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,360
recommended their use for all manner of

762
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,480
misfortunes including constipation

763
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,799
puncture wounds tetanus prevention

764
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:30,880
animal bites burns

765
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,399
concussions and spinal injury

766
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:37,120
there is a fine line between looney

767
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,840
tunes

768
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,559
and public menace and it had certainly

769
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,480
been crossed by now

770
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,960
if one day i'm wedged halfway down the

771
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,840
cliff

772
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,240
i hope the rescue helicopter does a

773
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:49,440
little more

774
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,840
than deliver a charlatan with an

775
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,630
and the report has an addendum addendum

776
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,600
homeopathic

777
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,480
immunization according to the story in

778
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,039
the melbourne sun november the 19th

779
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,320
1989 natural health advocate

780
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,960
jenny edgley has been criticized by

781
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,960
doctors for producing a

782
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,600
good health video which denounces

783
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,679
vaccination for children and promotes

784
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,000
fasting and natural remedies

785
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:22,640
ama queenslander chairman dr warwick

786
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:23,600
carter

787
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,039
is quoted as describing ms edgeley as

788
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,080
quote grossly irresponsible

789
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,320
end quote we vaccinate against whooping

790
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,640
cough tetanus diphtheria measles mumps

791
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:36,399
rubella and polio

792
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,000
any one of these diseases can be fatal

793
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,799
and all have serious consequences the

794
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,760
risk is

795
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,640
infinitesimal compared to the risks of

796
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,520
contracting

797
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,399
the diseases ms said that modern

798
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,880
immunization programs were alarming more

799
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,679
people

800
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,919
there are alternatives we promote

801
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,799
homeopathic vaccination modeled on 200

802
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:00,880
year-old remedies from germany

803
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,840
i don't say don't vaccinate but i do

804
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,519
want people to be informed

805
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,919
and make an informed decision it is

806
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,799
frightening

807
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,360
what vaccines are made of and the

808
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,799
effects they can have

809
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,000
fever convulsions epileptic fits

810
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,360
aids leukemia and arthritis

811
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:21,360
she said her four children had not been

812
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,399
vaccinated

813
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,480
the kids are all in the video talking

814
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,399
about their diets and new age

815
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:29,679
camps they have been to the video also

816
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,840
covers such subjects as power foods

817
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:35,919
foods that heal the body and strengthen

818
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,630
and that report is the bondi healing

819
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,679
festival

820
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:48,720
written by murray finch coming to us

821
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,360
all the way from 1989

822
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,480
and it's just startling i mean i've yet

823
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,399
to read every single page of every

824
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,159
single issue of the skeptic magazine

825
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,360
because there are a lot of pages to read

826
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,799
although i did a lot of work on the

827
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,440
digital restoration of these magazines

828
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:10,799
so to read that report especially

829
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,279
the addendum is quite startling in a way

830
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,120
i mean nothing has changed it's only

831
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:19,279
gotten worse these festivals still go on

832
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:19,919
people still

833
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,600
swear by homeopathy although it's

834
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,679
its influence is certainly waning around

835
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:26,880
the world as

836
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,640
science and reason take a firm hold

837
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,360
but way back then way back uh 31 years

838
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:34,240
ago

839
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,159
we still had the same anti-vaccination

840
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,679
rhetoric

841
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:42,159
and don't forget these people are firmly

842
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,200
convinced

843
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:46,240
without a shadow of a doubt that magical

844
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:50,399
homeopathy can indeed protect you from

845
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,840
whooping cough and diphtheria and and so

846
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,799
on as for the

847
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,720
mind body wallet festivals and the new

848
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,080
age festivals

849
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,760
scarcely anything has changed

850
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:05,440
and you can read that report for

851
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,149
www.skeptics.com.edu

852
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:13,039
looking for the link to the journal and

853
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:14,320
looking up

854
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:25,390
the skeptic volume 9 number 4.

855
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,149
surf coast summer skeptic camp eight

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saturday the 29th of february 2020

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the surf coast summer skeptic camp

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scss 8 is australia's longest running

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skepty camp

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in 2020 we are celebrating our eighth

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year

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skepticamps are designed to give many

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members the opportunity

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to present on a topic of their choice

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for about

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20 minutes skeptic camps have been run

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in

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skeptically related topic

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in which you are interested or highlight

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some practices that you see as dubious

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that need to be brought to the attention

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of the skeptics community

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or something we might find interesting

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please

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offer to share your thoughts this is a

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sharing event

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where many contributors combine to have

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a great day

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in an idyllic speaking of having a great

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day

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aries inlet is a picturesque township

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located on the victorian surf coast

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summer time is a great time to enjoy the

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delights of this location

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so why not make a weekend of it and stay

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in the area for the night

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or a few nights feel free to enjoy the

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location

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and the views at the end of the day

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we head to the aries pub for a drink

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dinner

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and skeptical discussion it is free to

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register

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we might ask for a small contribution

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maybe five dollars

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to cover general costs office to present

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should be made to the skeptic groups of

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victoria

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email address at sgofvic

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gmail.com as for the speakers

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we will update you regularly but since

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this is a participatory event

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you should consider making a

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to register at meetup just follow the

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links in this week's show notes

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here's maynard's spooky action

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and i'm just with mal vikki's the winner

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of the lifetime award tonight

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can you tell us well what you think you

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got to follow i

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i'm still surprised i i don't know i

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mean i've been doing some research but

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lots of people have supported me so i

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you know you don't think you're making

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that much of a difference but obviously

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i was so you looked a bit shocked you

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were busy taking photos and everything

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what me yeah yeah well i'll have to stop

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that didn't i

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yeah i had to again really surprised but

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um

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you know very grateful for everyone's

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help and support there's a there's a

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lovely

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paper with a frame around it what are

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you going to do with that

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um straight to the pool room as they say

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okay

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yeah or maybe blow it up three times

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size and put it up on the wall yeah i'll

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take a photograph of it

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and what would most skeptics have known

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you for with all the work you've done

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over the years

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um oh look ronnie

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running around organizing conventions

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and um

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writing for the on the vic skeptics

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website quite a lot um

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generally being a bit of a nuisance you

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know where can we catch you online being

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a bit of a nuisance

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i'm sometimes a bit of a pest to the tga

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on twitter

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what's your handle there it's uh it's

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vicar of skeptic

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congratulations mal vickers enjoy being

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a life member thank you try and make it

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last as long as possible

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now and now we've got two people are you

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the first time you've been to a

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skeptical dinner yeah it is

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now what did you make of all that magic

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we had 16 year old magic we had some

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bumbling magic on say

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i was a magician's assistant yeah it was

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amazing it was so interesting

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definitely got my brain ticking all

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right and what about you

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yes i was suitably impressed and of

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course being a restauranteur

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i mean this is like a little bit lower

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down you know the five star level from

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what you do

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service was still wonderful the drinks

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were coming and

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uh yeah your stint as an assistant was

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pretty good on the stage

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would you like to describe the suit i'm

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wearing oh it's amazing it's a bit

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holographic in a way blue shot silk shot

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tyre silk

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oh wow in fact it is actually material

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to make a tie out of and i found i found

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and i contacted the person who made the

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tie and i ordered enough for a suit

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so it's not the correct way for a suit

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but it

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it looks great though so hang on you two

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away from the restaurants what's going

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on tonight at the restaurant we've got

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mom and my brother at the restaurant

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they're covering for us

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you better get back there there could be

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an incident i'm sure they can handle it

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coming to a place thank you for coming

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so how did you go running the auction

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there you uh you jumped up the prices

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for a few things the

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signed uh albus say yuri gela the signed

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randy book you had there about conjuring

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with everyone's signature on it two

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hundred dollars to go for uh yeah yeah

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you know what now it's all over i can't

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the the the numbers in my head are a bit

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muddled but i love it it's great fun i

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always have a good time doing the

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auctioneering

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you raised just under a thousand dollars

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there i'd say yeah wow really

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yeah we can eat now we can eat we can

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eat for the rest of the thing

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so i reckon you've been to 35 million of

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these things how's this dinner tonight

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gone oh fabulous i mean the best

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entertainment for

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for i've seen in a long time a great

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crowd um

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friendly people wow i couldn't be

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yes hello look i'm just sort of

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swallowing my meal down in between

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because i'm interviewing about 50

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million people here tonight before

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everyone gets drunk and goes home

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but i'm here with someone who tell us

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who you are and what award you've just

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won here tonight

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i'm going alts and i've won the fred

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thornett award for the promotion of

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reason and congratulations but a bit of

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a bittersweet award because

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unfortunately you had to close down the

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magazine this year

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which was it was austral asian science

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it's been published in various films

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since the 1930s and i've been

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in control of it since the 1990s

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unfortunately just wasn't viable in the

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end and i've sort of kept it going for

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as long as i could but had to pull up in

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this year so was it competing

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competition among

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all magazines or people just aren't

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reading magazines full stop or

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the lack of interest in science

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magazines i think it's more that

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everything's free on the internet these

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days and um

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and so it's harder and harder to you

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know sort of put up pay walls and things

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like that because in the end

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someone's got it someone's got to pay

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for it pay for the funding bills so what

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have we got left in australia as far as

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science magazines go

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cosmos is uh still around that's every

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it's once a quarter now

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that's published now out of south

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australia

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and otherwise there's uh

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the uh there's the astronomy one um

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but i actually find it hard even when i

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go into a news agent

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and i know that i've got a blue cover i

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find it hard to find let alone the

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science magazines

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but even if i know i've got a blue cover

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even to find my magazine and the the

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fastest way to find the science

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magazines

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is to look for maybe the witchcraft

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magazines because they end up putting

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the science magazines next to all that

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kind of nonsense and australia

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astrology and is that wild magazine new

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dawn is it still around you know that

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woo magazine that was

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published in queensland i know the one

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you're talking about i haven't

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gone looking for it no i imagine you

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wouldn't yeah um so i can't actually say

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whether or not it is look i'm a bit of a

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fan of the 14 times although

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they straddle all sorts of things don't

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they but what do you think's the gold

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standard for science magazines worldwide

1077
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oh well new scientists is is um and

1078
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that's been around for

1079
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as long as i can remember um you know

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good science journalism

1081
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up-to-date yeah it ticks a lot of boxes

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well i hope there's a bit of a cash

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prize with it to help make up with some

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of the money you

1085
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you've encountered over the years uh yes

1086
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there is uh fortunately so

1087
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that's great so my wife's my wife's

1088
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happy about that so

1089
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what are you moving into now have you

1090
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gone into other publishing and was it

1091
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great being a publisher

1092
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like you were like who was the uh the

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head of the daily planet who was the

1094
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publisher of that that used to be

1095
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superman's paper he'd come in and get a

1096
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clock and

1097
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we need a scoop we need a scoop you know

1098
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the jimmy olsen's boss i thought you

1099
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were going down the

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the the path of the publisher being hugh

1101
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hefner and no i wasn't that although

1102
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i did publish out of my bedroom for the

1103
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first few years but uh

1104
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but no no no um what was the question

1105
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again you've got me sidetracked oh um

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yeah

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what was it i like being up oh what have

1108
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you moved into other areas of publishing

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now

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uh sort of i've done freelance editing

1111
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i'm basically an editor by trade and

1112
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that's how i got into it basically the

1113
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magazine i was working on which was

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search

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was with a commercial publisher it was

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no longer commercial for them so then i

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took it on and

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set up in in a bedroom at my father's

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place and and

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and started then as a young 20 something

1121
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year old right

1122
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so is it uh right drunk edit sober is

1123
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that that old adage true or not

1124
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no not for me i don't i don't drink that

1125
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much um and uh

1126
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no no no i'm just just basically for

1127
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fiction probably fiction probably works

1128
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that way maybe

1129
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yeah no no i don't have the little hat

1130
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and the little note the little the pen

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uh tucked behind the ears yeah with

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press written on it

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just just like i've been

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home um basically looking in uh looking

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00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,720
after the kids whilst uh tapping away on

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the computer and um

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00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,000
trying to ignore the fights that break

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00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,599
out every hour

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00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,680
all right well look a good luck with

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00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,880
that because i know it probably might

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00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,400
not get any better for a while

1142
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,160
oh they're they're they are actually

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00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:32,000
getting better they're now teenagers and

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00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,800
almost

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different kind of fights they're

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00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:36,000
fighting with you now uh well they've

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00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
always fought with me but

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00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,319
they're fighting with each other less

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00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,079
and less which is good but um

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00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,599
you know in terms of what's next for me

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00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,119
like i've done done a bit of it uh

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00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,520
freelance editing i'll do do some work

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00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,560
with the royal australian chemical

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00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,520
institute and

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00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,960
and looking for any other projects that

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00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,480
might come up like quality science

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00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,839
writing you're doing where can we find

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00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,960
you online now

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00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,599
uh well i guess the um the magazines

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website and the business website is

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still control dot com dot ie which is

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control

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publications i had to come up with a

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name for the uh business when i was

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first starting out and i was a big fan

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of

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get smart so um yeah chief at control

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gets to me

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though that doesn't get to me

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it sounds like you need a cone of

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00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,680
silence at home sometimes uh

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00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:22,480
yes i do i do look congratulations with

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00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,960
it and just

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00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,960
a bit of a hot tip worldwide what's a

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00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,720
great website to go to just get a bit of

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00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,079
information or one of your favorite

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00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,240
websites you'd like to go to to look at

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00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,839
as you know as a viewer instead of

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someone who writes

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what well yeah for science or anything

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00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:37,359
for science for anything i look i'm

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00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,240
actually uh

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00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,920
i'm actually a football tragic so i

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00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,920
spend i spend way too much time as a

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00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,280
richmond supporter

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00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,040
bathing in premiership glory these days

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after having basically tearing my hair

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00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,880
out for 37 years so

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so i'm enjoying that at the moment well

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00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,720
it's a great relief because sport

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00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:55,200
unlike science like i know it matters to

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00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,240
me richmond supporter

1193
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,720
but really who wins doesn't really

1194
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,599
matter like

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00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,680
either way but someone has to so it's

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00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:03,200
kind of a release from the science thing

1197
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,319
you know who wins doesn't matter

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00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,599
that you're sounding like a carlton

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00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,920
supporter now well i don't believe in

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00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:09,839
sport full stop you see so when i see

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00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,319
sport going on oh people do this because

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00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,800
it doesn't really matter to the world

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00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,400
who actually wins or not except to the

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00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:17,599
fans

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00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,480
yes yes each team will win yeah well

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00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,680
that's right yeah you can't win all the

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00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,119
time but yeah it's just good to have a

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00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,960
have an outlet and um so have you ever

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00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,640
had a friend who was an andy richmond

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00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,160
fan and you've just been rubbing it into

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00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,200
them

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00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:30,720
no no i only got straight on the phone

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and went

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00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,359
[Music]

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00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,560
my best friends are the ones i've been

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00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,839
able to footy with for years and years

1217
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,560
and years so

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00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,560
um and like i said yeah i work from home

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00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:40,000
so i don't have people in the office to

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00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,480
uh

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00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,599
to to annoy me or to annoy them so i do

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00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,640
have a brother who's an essence

1223
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,000
supporter i sometimes rub it into

1224
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,319
him look actually one last question

1225
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,440
because i've been asking everybody

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00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,520
what's the woo that annoys you the most

1227
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:53,200
that you most like to write about that

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00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,160
annoys you

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00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,920
everyone's got their own word they go oh

1230
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,839
god yeah look there's

1231
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,200
there's two that have gotten my goat

1232
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:02,319
over the years so one is homeopathy

1233
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,240
and the other one was scientology so

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00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,680
now why the scientology one in

1235
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,599
particular like rather like

1236
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,119
jehovah's witnesses or another

1237
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,760
particular religion i really don't know

1238
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,520
i really don't know it just did get my

1239
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,200
goat at the time

1240
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,640
and so that's one that's that that

1241
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,640
but also yeah homeopathy just seems

1242
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,240
absolutely ridiculous

1243
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,839
congratulations to people get along to

1244
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,640
control dot com dot iu

1245
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,800
thank you that's great thank you see you

1246
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:32,880
later see you tomorrow everybody

1247
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,349
well back out on the mean streets of

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00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,880
melbourne outside the jasper hotel where

1249
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:44,079
we've been having video tonight where

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00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,720
we're going to

1251
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,200
hail an uber and go home and just do a

1252
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,480
wrap-up of the evening

1253
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,400
quietly to ourselves and download stuff

1254
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,480
off the card over a dozen interviews

1255
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:54,240
being done tonight it's been a furious

1256
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,119
night but i think

1257
00:48:22,230 --> 00:46:56,960
tonight at the end of the evening really

1258
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,910
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

1259
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,839
own podcast this week

1260
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,400
now for those listening in sydney

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00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:29,599
australia

1262
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,240
in the pub and this will be

1263
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,599
at uh the occidental hotel

1264
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,839
which is 43 york street just near

1265
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,839
windyard station

1266
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:44,079
well you could probably take the new

1267
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,359
tram down

1268
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,839
george street thursday the 6th of

1269
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:48,480
february

1270
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:51,839
from 6 p.m and the talk this month

1271
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:55,680
is food glorious

1272
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,800
food gary kennedy will talk about some

1273
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:01,359
of the myths around so-called

1274
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880
super foods and new fad diet regimes

1275
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,480
along with myths spread around

1276
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,559
processing technology such as food

1277
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,599
irradiation

1278
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,400
genetic engineering and growing meat in

1279
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,839
a petri dish

1280
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,000
now i seem to remember gary has spoken

1281
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,400
for us once before probably many years

1282
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,200
ago

1283
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,240
and is a really entertaining speaker

1284
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,760
you're all welcome to come along that

1285
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,599
sydney skeptics in the pub

1286
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,559
from 6 p.m thursday the 6th of february

1287
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,800
at the occidental hotel near wind

1288
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,240
station in sydney

1289
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,960
and all going well maynard and i will be

1290
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,720
joining you there on the night to do

1291
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,760
interviews

1292
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,599
thank you to those people who wrote in

1293
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,359
to comment on last week's

1294
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,800
episode where we had skeptics in

1295
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,599
the tub now that episode seems to have

1296
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:49,440
caught the attention of a lot of people

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00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,760
and

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00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,599
got lots of engagement according to

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libsyn where the skeptic

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that i've decided to bump up the quality

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so normally the show will be in mono

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like this episode

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lots more interviews to get through that

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00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,640
he did at skepticon 2019

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and i hope to bring you a report i'm

1329
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,040
writing at the moment about

1330
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:04,319
homeopathy in supermarkets and

1331
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,200
pharmacies

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now the real show's over i walked over

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i'm doing the mundane things just don't

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mind me

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1405
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:06,400
after the show's over we play the dice

1406
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,280
game where i

1407
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,960
roll a die dice as we've discussed on

1408
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:12,640
the show before the common usage is

1409
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,400
dice technically it's dye but who cares

1410
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,119
uh i roll it three times and it's up to

1411
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:21,839
you to use your psychic predicting power

1412
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,160
or dumb luck probably dumb luck to

1413
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,839
see if you can predict the numbers now

1414
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,440
recently i've given away at various

1415
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,280
talks i've been doing

1416
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,480
skeptics own ten-sided dice so if you

1417
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,400
have one you can play along at home

1418
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:39,520
i guess here we go rolling for the first

1419
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,079
time

1420
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:43,520
it's uh it's going to be a number from

1421
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,510
first number this week is six number six

1422
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,960
write that down with your skeptic's own

1423
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,799
pen i should make up some skeptics and

1424
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:56,000
pens that would be fun

1425
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,230
seven six and seven

1426
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,000
what do you think i think the next one

1427
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:07,680
will be eight here we go

1428
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,610
last one coming up now

1429
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:11,599
[Applause]